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Bluejellybabie

Apr 13 2007, 03:44 PM

I was wondering why was Peter Pettigrew was in Gryffindor? he is'nt brave he ran to LV out of fear and decieved his friends rather then facing death. Basically to be in Gryffindor you're brave, daring, chivalrous, and pretty much a good person. But that doesn't imply to Peter.

When you think of the wizards in Gryffindor you got -DD, Harry, Sirius, The Weasley family, Hermione, Hagrid, James Lily Potter, Lupin then you got Peter

Could the hat be wrong?

Or is this a sign that Peter is going to do something very brave and good in the end???

What are your thoughts?

^_^ Caz ^_^

Apr 13 2007, 04:00 PM

The Hat must've seen some sort of bravery in Peter... perhaps it is yet to be revealed. Although, all that night-time sneaking around with the other Marauders was rather daring, as was becoming an Animagus illegally, even if he was just following the others.

One of the points I felt JKR was trying to make in HBP was that not everyone in Slytherin is "bad" (ie. Slughorn) and not everyone in Gryffindor is "good" (McLaggen). So I suppose this could apply to Peter as well. (And also possibly Snape and R.A.B. - assuming he is Regulus - if they turn out to be working against Voldemort)

But I think Peter will end up doing something very brave in the end - he owes a life-debt to Harry and repaying it would probably mean defying Voldemort in some way which would be an unbelievably brave thing for any Death Eater to do.

felixfelicis

Apr 13 2007, 05:19 PM

First of all, there is nothing in the books saying that Peter was sorted in to Gryffindor. I personally think that he could've belonged to Hufflepuff, but i have nothing to back up this theory, so it seems likely that he, like the rest of the marauders, was sorted into gryffindor. The hat is never wrong, and like Caz said:

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The Hat must've seen some sort of bravery in Peter... perhaps it is yet to be revealed.

Bluejellybabie

Apr 13 2007, 05:36 PM

Caz

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Caz

@ Apr 13 2007, 05:00 PM)

One of the points I felt JKR was trying to make in HBP was that not everyone in Slytherin is "bad" (ie. Slughorn) and not everyone in Gryffindor is "good" (McLaggen). So I suppose this could apply to Peter as well. (And also possibly Snape and R.A.B. - assuming he is Regulus - if they turn out to be working against Voldemort)[/quote]

I get what you mean but what i mean is that Peter doesn't posess anything YET that we can say ah yes he should be in Gryffindor roaming the grounds at night isnt necassarily a Gryffindor bravery thing i mean Draco did it in part one. i dont think the hat tells if you are good or bad neccasarily and so its not about that BUT we can't forget that Peter gave away his friends i agree McLaggen does not seem to be a nice person but its not the same as giving away your friends to the dark lord though. He gives away his friends for himself a very slytherin way of thinking i believe, and then you see people like DD they would give their lives up happily Sirius did and Hagrid would etc.

I think your right about the your not always bad if your in Slytherin and not always good if your in Gryffindor theory and i think the hat chooses on your inner beliefs e.g. Slughorn though does not wish bad things upon people that are not completly pure blood but he does make crude remarks a very slytherin belief he's not bad but prejudiced slightly- my point being what is it the hat looks for in you to put you into where you are and if its your belief what do you think is in Peter that made the hat put him in Gryffindor.

I just can not see anything brave or Gryffindor like about Peter i would say when young a hufflepuff with a slight Slytherin in him.

do you think Peter was being brave by roaming around the grounds and becomming animagi or was it because he was scared he might lost his mates that would see it as their duty to become animagi. if we recap Peters character everyone describes him as quiet and scuttling after James and Sirius -- in other words he was only known because of more popular friends...

But i like your theory and i forgot about the point in HBP thanks

your right that was an important point. thanks for replying
BJB

Lost

Apr 13 2007, 08:20 PM

I'm just wondering why the Creevy Brothers are in Gryffindor! But I suppose you really don't know what is in somebody's heart & what strengths they possess inside.

Unsy the Rhino

Apr 19 2007, 04:39 AM

Harry Potter was almost chosen to be in Slytherin, the hat placed him in Gryffindor because he really wanted to be there. I think Peter and the Cleevy brothers really wanted to be in Gryffindor. Peter wanted to be with those he admired greatly esp. James, the Cleevy boys, certainly the older one, seem obsessed with HP and wanted to stalk him.

Nymph

Apr 19 2007, 06:55 AM

QUOTE (Unsy the Rhino @ Apr 19 2007, 10:39 AM)

You sertainly have a point here about Peter, but not with Colin Creevy, he's a muggle-born and could not know Harry before coming to Hogwarts.

Hey BJB!
Interesting topic

I think that we'll surely see somethng new about Peter in the 7th book.
but it may be that he had the needed character for Gryffindor but then betrayed himself.

But, as I like to say, JKR never sais anything without meaning, and DD said that Peter in in life debt to Harry and it's good that Voldemort's serwant is in such a debt to him.

Bluejellybabie

Apr 19 2007, 04:24 PM

QUOTE (Unsy the Rhino @ Apr 19 2007, 05:39 AM)

You have a good point but i'm pretty sure the hat doen't choose the house you most want but what abilities you posess. Harry i think was only considered to go to Slytherin because he posessed very Slytherin Abilities like parseltounge due to when Voldermort attacked him as a child transferring powers to him. The Creeveys thats intresting i personally see them as Hufflenpuffish but they haven't done anything not brave either.

About Pettergrew wanting to be in Gryffindor i'm not sure he knew James yes i agree he wantes powerful friends but they could be from Slytherin as well so not necessarily just because he wanted to be friends with James and he could be greatly admired if he wasn't in Gryffindor example Young Voldermort> Tom Riddle etc

You could be onto something though maybe he has reasons that he wanted to be in Gryffindor and i can't say the hat can't choose what you want because we don't know what persifically the hat looks for so good point

QUOTE (Nymph @ Apr 19 2007, 07:55 AM)

Hey BJB!
Interesting topic

Hey Nymph

That's very true i think Peter will do something very heroic due to the life debt but i want him to use his Gryffindor side as well. Because Snape had a life debt to James so all houses have to abide by the rule interesting question what happens if you fail to do you life debt?

anyway I agree JKR will probably use this in the final book

can't wait for DH
BJB

tinnidawg

Apr 26 2007, 03:51 PM

The hat is never wrong as per canon. No where does it say that Gryffindors are righteous. A person overcoming a personal phobia can also be considered brave. In fact, in canon we see many examples were things done by Gryffindors would be very wrong.

Sirius's prank with Snape (werewolf)
Some of the stuff pulled by Fred and George would be unacceptable in most circumstances.
Some of Harry's beahiour would also be suspect.

Similarly, I think everyone has good, bad etc as a part of their personalities, the hat looks for the one trait that is predominant. In Slytherin it is ambition, but aren't Gryffindors also ambitious? If they aren't wanting to win the house cup, or Hermione wanting to be the best student should not be a part of the storyline. Similarly, Hufflepuff stands for Loyalty, a person can also be loyal to a cause we think is wrong.

I think what JKR would probably like to point out is the qualities in themselves aren't wrong, it is what a person does with the quality, that will ultimately decide the kind of person they become.
Something like a knife, a knife is used by surgeons to save lives and it can take lives when wielded by murderers, the knife itself remains the same.

Nymph

Apr 26 2007, 04:37 PM

QUOTE (tinnidawg @ Apr 26 2007, 09:51 PM)

Oooo, tinnidawg, I like your way of thinking!
I agree that just belonging to some House doesn't mean that a person is good or bad. Look at Slughorn,a good guy he is.
I think the thing that makes some Slytherins bad is not the House, but the pure-blood and superiority thing, cos it's usually parents who insert such thoughts into their children.

The only question for me is that Gryffindors are supposed to be brave in some kind, and I don't see such a quality in Peter. He seems too be a coward, at least in previous books.

ashish

Apr 27 2007, 12:47 PM

Something is yet to be revealed about Peter Pettigrew let us wait for DH

candee1013

May 3 2007, 04:55 AM

One-if Sirius, James, and Peter got under the invisibility cloak wouldn't they need to have been in the same house. And if you think about it Peter is brave enough to take care of LV-unfortunately.
Sirius came from a DARK family you could say, look where he ended up.

Never really thought of this idea of Peter. Good question.

Emma_J

May 23 2007, 01:12 PM

is it possible that as in the case of harry the the hat thought peter would do well in slytheryn or gryfindor but Pettigrew like harry said he didnt want to be in slytheryn?? just a thought

Endad

Aug 28 2007, 12:45 PM

Thats a good question - one that Ive often asked myself

Could it be possible that Peter only wanted to be in Gryffindor just because his friends, James, Sirius and Remus all wanted to be in it as well? Because Ive never considered Pettigrew to have done anything brave, like in PoA, in the shrieking shack, he begged everyone to keep him alive!

LilyEvans1294

Nov 3 2007, 07:10 PM

the hat muct have thought that he had a least a bit on bravery in him yet i don't think he had any at all
~Lily~

Timeimperfect

Nov 4 2007, 06:45 PM

I agree with others - I think it's possible that the Hat saw qualities suited to both Gryffindor and Slytherin, and Peter asked/ begged for a place in Gryffindor.

But also, there are different sorts of bravery. If a soldier is told he has to shoot someone, I think that takes bravery - but that doesn't mean it's a good decision. People who rob banks must be brave (and stupid) to take such risks.

I think he had some bravery, just not the good sort

mudflood

Nov 6 2007, 05:13 AM

The people with the most potential for good also have the greatest capacity for evil. It is only a matter of choices. The story of Pettigrew is the most intriguing non-story in the books. I would be very interested in a prequel or a fanfic that explained, per canon, the turning of Pettigrew from what was probably a very bright future to the evil he chose.

robertburnsnight

Dec 20 2007, 04:30 AM

I never knew Peter Pettigrew was in Gryffindor... What makes you think he's in Gryffindor.
Maybe, he doesn't have any friends in heir of Slytherin. His old friends are Remus Lupin, Sirius Black and James Potter.
Maybe, he wanted to be in Gryffindor because he has friends there. Or perhaps he had a little bravery in himself.

That's to my opinion...

Timeimperfect

Dec 20 2007, 01:58 PM

^ I guess it's never been confirmed that Peter's in Gryffindor, but we assume so. He spent all his time with the Marauders, and it's said that your House becomes like your family. I reckon he probably asked to go into Gryffindor, just as Harry said "Not Slytherin" to the Hat.

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